How did your training start?
As a child I read Ten little blacks by Agatha Christie: adrenaline!
And then?
I saw Unforgiven, by Clint Eastwood, at the age of twelve: more adrenaline! Then I studied Psychology.
What did he learn?
To think the world, to understand reality.
And he founded Mongolia, the magazine.
In 2012, with Darío Adanti and Pere Rusiñol: brutal, frontist, savage political satire...
At what costs?
Threats, dislikes: such reactions indicate the success of the satire. The murder of Charlie Hebdo's colleagues demonstrated the excellence of his satirical endeavor.
The price is exorbitant.
Ours, 60,000 euros to Ortega Cano for a poster alluding to the fact that he ran over a man with his car. And lots of insults.
Who are insulting?
To me the Nazis and the indepes: they insult those who exclude the other. Satire tests the democrat, tests his limits.
Would you abolish any limits to satire?
The offense to religious sentiments.
What is the last thing you satirized?
I have left. I have been a father. It is not the same to be threatened with death with a child.
What is The Moral Mask?
Morality operates as a mask that serves to unite a group: you put it on to help you integrate there.
Is there one or are there several morals?
The democratic society is the one that harbors diverse, plural morals. Theocratic society imposes a single morality.
Morality is not internal, is it external?
Morality is carried out. Today there are many skins that you can choose from.
Every mask is an imposture, right?
It is. And imposture is necessary to live in society.
Give me an example.
Good education: it is an exaggeration that we find very useful.
The rude says: "I am very sincere."
He's a brute, that's what he is.
What masks do you make fun of the most?
If you put on a moral mask so they can look at you, it's going to show... and I'll satirize you.
Another example.
You align –for fashion– with the American movement
It's so easy to "share" on social media...
It's free, yes. Out of anxiety to be good, you use the networks... and the networks use you: you fear being marked as a "bad person."
Is there a vaccine for that?
Yes, respect all people and satirize and refute all ideas and beliefs.
Political puyas don't help...
We like politicians to treat us like children. And if necessary, those politicians send us like soldiers to a war...
Now we have a war.
War being bad, against Russia we must war, just as in France so many Spanish and French warred against the invading Nazis. This is not a comic!
Does the moral mask reach science?
Those who say that you get well if you make an effort wear a mask: this mask blames the patient for his pathology. And you take it if you want a "feminist science"...
Nature and morality, do they touch?
You will fall down the stairs yes or yes... because the law of gravity operates the same for everyone.
And does morality come to journalism?
It comes when someone talks about “citizen journalism”. How absurd! They are redundant terms to look good.
And cultural journalism, what?
It is dead, since today works of art are being evaluated in the media only from one moral mask or another, they are not analyzed by themselves.
Some example?
We are now judging some books and movies from years ago based on whether they seem racist or sexist to us today...
We judge past jokes, too.
That television program, Who is going to laugh: miners of humor with a moral mask for a well-thought-out public today.
For good people.
And how many times will Millán Salcedo, from Tuesday and 13th, have to apologize for that joke that we all applauded?
Some parody on TV today continues to scandalize: that is happening...
Any joke is nothing more than a joke, even if it parodies a Virgin. But I am interested in considering it if it is broadcast from a public television: from power!, with a specific political agenda...
I will try to live without masks.
It's impossible: better be aware of your mask. Oh, and instead of posturing, visit your elderly mother or grandmother more.
